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Cartoon from nakedpastor.com

Funny how the cross always gets in the way of our man-made plans and schemes…

Looking forward to going to church today…if you are inclined, feel free to talk about what your church service was like and how your pastor taught the Word!

Coming up on Monday and Tuesday, a discussion on community, online and offline. Later in the week, discussion of Michael Spencer’s book Mere Churchianity (which you can now buy in paper or Kindle ebook form from Amazon or in paper/Nook ebook form from Barnes & Noble).

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  1. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 10:05 am

    We went over Galatians 1-2 this morning…more later…communion coming up.

  2. ( |o )====:::
    June 20, 2010 at 11:44 am

    R&B vibed “Everybody Praise The Lord” will be a standout!

  3. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Gren, at your church?

  4. Buster
    June 20, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    I’m not sure I understand that. How does the cross get in our way? I look at the cross as symbol of humiliation, torture and redemption. I can’t recall ever saying, “Oh, I can’t do that, because of the cross.” Can someone explain?

  5. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Buster, I think it’s more like we tend to do our own thing apart from God and see the cross – and Jesus – as an impediment.

  6. Buster
    June 20, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Not to sound hyper-spiritual, but I can’t imagine what that would be. Hang out in bars? Run red lights? Cheat at Monopoly? “Oh, no, I can’t do that, I’m a child of God now.” Yes, there are things that I might be tempted to do, but they all have pretty serious consequences. Life is hard enough I don’t want to add to my problems by doing something foolish.
    Maybe I’m still misunderstanding something here…

  7. ( | o )====:::
    June 20, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    I mix sound on sunday mornings at a church that is doing a contemporary service. it was the standout song!

  8. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Buster, Hayward’s comment from the page where I got the cartoon from:

    “The cross says “NO!” to our baser instincts, ambitions and desires, but “YES!” to that which is best in us. It is a continual challenge.”

  9. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    That was the only explanation I saw for the cartoon….

  10. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Ah, alright Gren, that’s where the reference came from!

  11. Believe
    June 20, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    FWIW…I think Hayward meant this:

    James 4:13Come now, you who say,(U) “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— 14yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For(V) you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. 15Instead you ought to say,(W) “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast in your arrogance.(X) All such boasting is evil. 17(Y) So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

    Basically…we often lose sight that God’s will is preeminent…and while we often have fleshly goals in life…God intervenes.

  12. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    That makes sense, Believe.

  13. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Daniel Montgomery taught on Galatians 1-2 today.

    The gospel of grace is God’s message (Galatians 1:1-3, 12); “to mess with God’s gospel is to mess with God” – Daniel

    The gospel of grace is unchanging (Galatians 1:6-9). It brings change (Galatians 1:13, :13-24) and is for all (2:7-9).

    All without exception are prone to not living out the truth of the gospel of grace (2:12-13). The gospel of grace shows us how to be right w/God (2:16, 21), and the gospel of grace shows us how to be united with God (2:19-20)

    What things pervert the gospel in your mind? we were asked. We were given a nametag on which to write those things, and attach them to a fence set up in the lobby.

    I wrote perfectionism, judgmentalism and lack of grace.

    I feel so often that one has to be perfect in order to be right with God, and therefore beat myself up when I inevitably fail.

    I also tend to judge others more than I care to admit, while being defensive when I feel others judging me. And I don’t always show grace to others, Christian or non-Christian.

    Recent events in my life have helped me to be more humble and more gracious, and I hope that God continues to work that out in my life.

  14. Linnea
    June 20, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    We attended an Anglican church today, where the Bishop spoke of the purpose of the law from Galatians– wonderful explanation and within the context of the original Greek. I gained much insight into why God gave the law.

  15. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Where at in Galatians, Linnea? And why did God give the law?

  16. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    I meant, what did the Bishop say about why God gave the law?

    I didn’t know you were Anglican.

  17. Linnea
    June 20, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    Brian…..not Anglican yet, just visiting the church.

    Here’s summary of the notes:

    Bishop Guernsey said that you cannot say that all the law has been invalidated by Christ’s work. There are 3 kinds of law in the Old Testament:

    1. Moral law, like the 10 Commandments, that is still in effect.
    2. Civil Law, which governed society and which is optional today
    3. Ceremonial or Ritual Law (the offering of animals for sacrifice) which Christians are not to follow today because Jesus fulfilled this law.
    Galatians 3:24
    “Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.”

    The law is a “chaperone” that brings us to the real teacher. I can’t remember the Greek word, but it is different than the law being a teacher. The implication of this Greek word was a “helper” who brought the student to the real teacher, Jesus Christ.

    Specifically God gave the law to increase sin (Romans 5:11) and this happens in 4 ways:

    a. the law increases our awareness of sin by defining what sin is and what it is not (Romans 5:14)
    b. the law increases our conviction of sin. God shows us we are defying Him and that it grieves His heart.
    c. the law increases sinful behavior (Romans 7:5…”our sinful passions are aroused by the law” and Romans 7:12.
    d. the law increases our sense of moral helplessness and brings us to Christ. The law shows us that we can never save ourselves. We are wholly incapable of loving God and loving our neighbor. The law shows us our inherent nature.

    Therefore, we need Jesus. The law was given that “it may go well with them and their descendants forever” Deuteronomy 5:29.

  18. pstrmike
    June 20, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    I showed a movie today at church. “We were Soldiers” Then I dismissed without comment.

  19. Another Voice
    June 20, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    paidagogos – Very good of the Bishop to note this person (often a slave) was NOT a tutor/teacher (as is usually preached) – but someone who led the kids to school until the kids were old enough to go there on their own.

    Chaperone is a fitting way to see this..

  20. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    The law leads us to Christ, as it makes us realize we cannot fulfill the law in our strength.

    Yet, my impression over the years of much Christian teaching is of the law being an end unto itself. You accept Christ and obey the law. The law becomes as important as what Christ’s death on the cross accomplished.

  21. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Pstrmike, We Were Soldiers?

  22. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    It’s as if teaching the law as a chaperone would defeat the law’s purpose and give license to everybody to indulge their sins.

  23. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    When I preach the gospel to myself, AV, I need to remember the law as a chaperone….

  24. Nene
    June 20, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    pstrmike, It’s good to know you still have the movies running! 🙂

    Happy Father’s Day to everyone!

  25. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    you too, Nene.

  26. June 20, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    oh….that movie made me cry so hard….

    hi Nene, how are you?

  27. June 20, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    Linnea, not yet? Are you thinking about it?

  28. Nene
    June 20, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Hi there Dusty! I miss you guys already, but you’re right here! 🙂 I’ll check in later, hope you are well momma Dust!

  29. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Dusty, I never saw that movie…I actually don’t watch too many movies…too expensive.

  30. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Or, I’m too cheap to drop $8 on a movie every week 😉

  31. June 20, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    momma dust? awe you are so sweet.

  32. June 20, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    brian, we hardly ever go out for movies…rental is way cheaper…and some stores now sell them for $4-5…even better.

  33. briwd2006
    June 20, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    I see redbox all over the place…and it’s $1 per night…but I don’t want to go to the trouble of putting the card in the kiosk, and having to go back the next day to return the disc.

    So my options are Blockbuster, or pay $3 more for iTunes – which sometimes gets movies later than redbox or Blockbuster.

    I only do movie theaters when it’s something I’d really want to see, like the new Star Trek last year. And even then I try to hit the matinee, to save a few bucks and avoid the crowds.

  34. Buster
    June 20, 2010 at 11:29 pm


    That’s a pretty good summary! I approve! 🙂

  35. Linnea
    June 20, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    you said….
    “It’s as if teaching the law as a chaperone would defeat the law’s purpose and give license to everybody to indulge their sins.”

    Can you help me understand this? Maybe I’m just tired, but I don’t get it 😦

  36. Linnea
    June 20, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    We had a big family event today that ended in a huge schism..ugh. I’ve never met my mother in law’s expectations, even after almost 22 years of marriage to her son. Still, I hope and pray.

  37. June 20, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    oh Linnea, that is sad 😦

  38. jlo
    June 21, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Linnea, so sorry. Mother in law’s are a special breed.

  39. pstrmike
    June 21, 2010 at 12:39 am

    briand…… it’s a veiled salute to Michael and the soldiers that were on the PP

  40. briwd2006
    June 21, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Linnea, the quote ties in to the post I made right before, regarding my impression of Christian teaching.

    I never heard people literally preaching adherence to the law like Christ had never been born and we were bound to the Torah.

    In my experience, within the church the law manifests itself as rules we need to keep in order to please God, to be right with God, to maintain our salvation. If you maintain the rules, you are alright, as long as you ask complete forgiveness at the end of the day. God forbid you teach grace, because Christians would then indulge themselves. It almost asks, does Christ need our help to maintain our salvation?

  41. briwd2006
    June 21, 2010 at 12:40 am

    I totally missed it, pstrmike…bad on me.

    Love the veiled salute, though!

  42. June 21, 2010 at 12:48 am

    who were the soldiers?

  43. June 21, 2010 at 12:50 am

    “Yet, my impression over the years of much Christian teaching is of the law being an end unto itself. You accept Christ and obey the law. The law becomes as important as what Christ’s death on the cross accomplished.”

    Thus Law and Gospel…someone had to say it and I didnt see MLD lol.
    Each and every week we pray as a corporate entity:
    “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    But if we confess our sins, God who is faithful and just will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    Let us then confess our sins to God our Father.
    Most merciful God, we confess that we are by nature sinful and unclean. We have sinned against you in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done and by what we have left undone. We have not loved You with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. We justly deserve Your present and eternal punishment. For the sake of Your Son, Jesus Christ, have mercy on us. Forgive us, renew us, and lead us, so that we may delight in Your will and walk in Your ways to the glory of your Holy Name. Amen.”

    We dont need the law to remind us after we are His, we have the deciever to constantly stick our private sin in our face and taunt us, but we also have the Gospel and promises of God to throw right back in the demons face. We can declare to him we are clean and pure not because we say so but because when we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.

    If we make church rules, we are gauranteed to break them. An old joke my buddy would tell is “Q: How do you keep a Mormon from drinking your beer at a BBQ?
    A: invite another Mormon” The same with us if we are honest, we are still sinner/saint and rebelious children, give us a rule and we will break it.

  44. June 21, 2010 at 1:05 am

    and the enemy?

  45. jlo
    June 21, 2010 at 1:11 am

    What a week. Took Dixie to a new vet a week ago Saturday. We have had her on an anti inflammatory for about 6 months for arthritis; however it was making her lame. The vet wanted to try a different med for her but we need to clear her system of the previous one. They put her on an opiate for 5 days to control her pain; it was suppose to make her drowsy, instead of it being a sedative it made her manic, she was spun. I stopped the meds three days ago and it looks like it has finally cleared her system. She also has a dilated pupil so we took her to an eye specialist. The eye vet says it does not look like an eye problem but a neurological issue and suggested an MRI, which is very expensive. She is 10 years old, we rescued her 4 years ago, and prior to that she was left in a back yard with no other interaction. She was turned in because she was destructive, go figure. I’ve spent a lot of time socializing this dog so we are deeply bonded. We have decided to forgo the MRI and just make her comfortable for as long as possible.

    Sorry for the bummer post, guess I just needed to put it out there, wish I could do more for this faithful companion, but the practical thing is just to make her as comfortable as possible with the least invasive action.

  46. jlo
    June 21, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Pstrmike, we will soldier on, because that’s what soldiers do. But it won’t be the same. Time to put the armor on and head into battle.

  47. Nene
    June 21, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Pstrmike, the soldier reference went over my head. d’oh…yep, time to put the armor on, keep moving..

  48. Another Voice
    June 21, 2010 at 2:07 am

    My thought on the cartoon. If “my goal” is to have an impact for Jesus Christ through my life in the lives of others – and hopefully that is the goal of every Christian – it necessitates a cross.

    To be a Godly spouse, parent, ministry servant/leader, friend, co-worker – they all require taking up the cross daily.

    That’s how I read it when I first saw it.

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